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‘General Radiologist’ : A “dying” species?

Posted by: Anuj Mishra

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Radiology has come a long way since the introduction of X-rays when Wilhelm Röntgen took first "medical" x-ray of his wife's hand on 22 December 1895. The field of radiology has expanded beyond the realms of X-rays with nuclear magnetic resonance and ultrasound wave technology being the major players in modern times. Our attitude towards X-rays has also diversified with development of computed tomography.

With the advancement in technology has come vast expansion in the applications of radiological methods and the huge demand on radiologist to provide the correct diagnosis, sometimes even in most adverse circumstances.

This translates into a heavy burden and responsibility on the radiologists’ shoulder. And ‘to err is human’!

30% of medical law suits in US are related to missed diagnosis!

For the court a clinical examination is no longer sufficient to prove a case: Objective documents are requested, leading to numerous unnecessary examinations.

In the present scenario, the roles and responsibilities of radiologist must change with time.

The referring physicians need a clinical interface with radiology. For this, the radiologist should fully understand the clinical problem.

And the radiologist is expected to do this for every clinical problem and for all medical specialities!

As we radiologists know very well that new knowledge is being developed at an increasingly rapid rate thereby dramatically expanding the field of radiology.

However, the increase in knowledge is such that we can no longer master it all.

For example, Neuroradiology involves imaging of brain, head & neck, spine, interventions, functional imaging and so on.

It is becoming increasingly difficult for a ‘general radiologist’ to serve this huge demand for correct diagnosis and interventional solutions to all the medical specialities.

The time has come when we need a matching subspeciality with the referring clinicians.

And the role of ‘general radiologist’ will be limited to catering to general practitioner.

Neuroradiologist will cater to neurologist/neurosurgeon; musculoskeletal radiologist shall deal with orthopedic surgeons; pediatric radiologist shall take care of pediatricians/neonatologist and so on.

But the question remains: “Is subspecialization adding value”?

To find an answer to this question, we will have to answer this first - Is neuroimaging more effectively done by a general radiologist or a neuroradiologist?

Von Oertzen et al. in J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2002;73:643-647 showed that ‘Standard magnetic resonance imaging is inadequate for patients with refractory epilepsy’. They compared results in :

  1. Standard MRI reported by ‘non-expert’ radiologists
  2. Standard MRI evaluated by epilepsy ‘expert’ radiologist
  3. Epilepsy dedicated MRI read by ‘expert’

Their study showed that Sensitivity of “non-expert” reports of standard MRI reports for focal lesions was 39%, of “expert” reports of standard MRI 50%, and of epilepsy dedicated MRI 91%

What does this prove? And where does this lead us?

This herald a new era in Radiology……..Radiology of the future!

And this must begin at the training level.

Radiology training needs to be redesigned into a ‘modular’ system and divided into subspecialities.

It is common knowledge that different medical specialists perform their own imaging with a high degree of competence. For example, cardiologists do their own coronary angiographies and gynecologists perform ultrasounds themselves on their patients.

Does this mean that end of radiology as an independent speciality is near?

And should the training in imaging be imparted in clinical speciality?

And should imaging be regarded as a subspeciality within the clinical speciality?

In near future, training as a ‘general radiologist’ would make no sense.

And then there is conflict between the ‘functional imaging’ and ‘structural imaging’? Should we become partners rather than competitors with the nuclear medicine colleagues? And should we share the financial resources too? For example, futuristic technology like MRI-PET or CT-PET or CT-SPECT would necessitate collaboration between radiologist and nuclear medicine specialist in their expertise and resources to efficiently run the facility.

Coming back to our problem – ‘Why should radiology be done by radiologists?’

And the most important answer to this is that only radiologist can have a global view on the patient.

In the future departments of radiology in hospitals, the “general radiologist” is going to be replaced by “collaborating subspeciality radiologists”.

And do we still need ‘general radiologist’?

I would say ‘yes’, but in a limited role in smaller practices.




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Dr. Sridhar V said:

Dr. Sridhar V
...
Thank you so much Dr.Anuj Mishra for the very insight into the possible extinct of the present famous and popular and much sought after 'species' known as 'General Radiologist'.

The way things are happening so fast,the way specialization and sub specialization getting evolved ... I think situation is going to reach ridiculous proposition by 2050.

Are you going to take up disease based sub specialization ?
example - Specialist radiologist of bronchiectasis
- Specialist Radiologist for Peptic Ulcer ?

Or You want to become Symptoms based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist Radiologist of Halitosis.

or it it better to become System based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist Radiologist for Sexual disorders .

Or You want to become Organ based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist radiologist in Uterus disorders
Specialist radiologist in Thumb problems

Dr.Anuj Mishra said

"Coming back to our problem – ‘Why should radiology be done by radiologists?’

And the most important answer to this is that only radiologist can have a global view on the patient."

When Somebody wants to become specialist in Uterine disorders or penile disorders Why should one undergo Entire Radiology course ?Why should this particular specialist needs Global view of Radiology ?
Present day situation is such that if one becomes Specialist Radiologist, say in 'Epilepsy"....over the time this particular Radiologist loses touch with other aspects of Radiology and pleads ignorance in dealing with non epileptic Radiology problems.If this is so why should he/she undergo entire Radiology Course.Can not he/she get trained initially itself in with his/her subject limited to 'Epileptic disorders' instead of undergoing entire Radiology course ?

So the net result is that if one wants to become sub sub specialist, not necessary that he/she should be a Radiologist. Anybody can become sub specialist,and most importantly one need not have knowledge of " GLOBAL VIEW " of Radiology.

No doubt the Radiology subject is vast and no branch of medicine is left untouched by radiology and constantly one has to keep oneself abreast of happenings.
Since We have vast population to be taken care of I do not think General Radiology is a dying art.

General radiology is here to stay just like General Medicine or General Surgery.




 
May 02, 2010
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Veerendra Sharma said:

Veerendra Sharma
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With due regards to all
The Problem is a problem < when the boundaries are crossed > if thought - the eg
CT/MRI the radiologist get involved ,' whats harm if I can do the USG also '
Then dilution has to occur inevitable

The Species cannot die if kept alive < if the Radiologist has moved to the specificity should leave the general for others , All cant have the same calibre , so the things are how farr specific you can move .
Sorry I may be wrong ..
 
May 02, 2010
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Alok Varshney said:

Alok Varshney
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Nice article Dr Anuj, reflecting the current trends. It does seem that we are headed in the direction of collaborating super-specialists. Few generations back, the MBBS graduates probably debated on whether to specialize in medicine/ gynecology/ surgery and such. Now we are just a bit more advanced. But there are so many facets of this complex debate.

A generalist may not hog limelight by diagnosing obscure/ rare conditions, but he has an important role of providing care for people with common problems. And common problems are, well, common. So to me it makes better economic sense to cater for larger section of population needs rather than narrow my base to some subspeciality, the fortunes of which may wax or wane on the whims of technologic and other developments. A case in point is mammography/ breast imaging, whose existence got severely threatened by lawsuits for missed diagnosis.

The existing pyramidal structure of medical practice where super-specialists are on top is a logical and practical outcome of demands of population. Though the common perception is that super-specialization leads to good earning and secure future, this is just a demand and supply situation and may not sustain forever. Few years later there might be an intense competition amongst super-specialists too, when their concentration reaches a critical mass.

Well, to each his own. I would prefer to be a generalist with sub-speciality interests, even though the lure of restricting myself to a system specific/ modality specific is unavoidable. I just hate to put all the eggs in one basket, but that’s just me. smilies/grin.gif
 
May 02, 2010
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Upma Hemal said:

Upma Hemal
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I agree 100 % what you are fearing , I think already it is existing, making stressful and harder for a general radiologist work and a dream of radiologist is now no more general radiologist rather Oncoradiologist, MSK; with body parts, Hand, shoulder, hip, spine…
Neuro… neck, orbit, spine,
Chest, interstitial lung dis, cardiac, tumor, infections…
I would frustrate if a spine neuroradiologist, will say well I think you should go to a neuroradiologist who reads brain MR, well…
This all happened to fulfill demand of physician and their expectation…..
Not each radiologist is going to get chance to get train in subspeciality even if he or she does..is he or she going to get chance to practice it…
I have struggled when the clinician bring images to be review by radiologist and say “ What do you think the bug is” If you say a cavitating lesion with a hallow of lucency on chest CT in a leukemic child undergoing chemotherapy pointing fungal disease….their question….Histplasmo or blasto…
What do you think this is conventional type osteosarc..or medullary type….or …
What we should do now for 4 mm nodule….
Pathologists take in account these imaging features for reaching to diagnosis….
General radiologist will extinct …Presently their practice is very stressful and challenging, residency training , what program you attended all effects.There should be norm and a report with differential list is
acceptable.
 
May 02, 2010
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Anuj Mishra said:

Anuj Mishra
...
With due regards to all my colleagues, I have expressed my views from my international experience,and they do not in any way reflect radiology practice in India alone.
As I wrote earlier "Radiology training needs to be redesigned into a ‘modular’ system and divided into subspecialities" , I feel the radiology training in India needs to be redesigned so as to cater to increased demands.
And worldwide there is such a huge demand for specialists that a general radiologist more than often feels 'left out'.
Moreover, their is immense pressure from clinicians too to practice their subject-specific imaging.
What I meant when I wrote "And the most important answer to this is that only radiologist can have a global view on the patient", is that not all the time a clinician would be able to diagnose the patient's disease related to his specialty. Thats' why we always talk of list of differentials!
In my radiology practice, and I am sure my colleagues would agree too, we have seen clinicians trying to figure out the possible diagnosis themselves on a CT or an MRI film, totally oblivious of the fact that their exists something called ' radiology report'. For example, how many neurosurgeons' would look at the CT/MR report first before they see the images? Or how many liver surgeons would like to read the scan report before seeing the CT scan images themselves? Not many.
This is a sign of changing trend as to how we see radiology and the clinicians' perspective on it.
It will not be surprising to see in future the radiology teaching being incorporated into the curriculum for clinical specialization. I mean, the orthopedic resident will be training in musculoskeletal radiology too as part of his training as orthopedic surgeon.
This is the bigger issue.
Presently the problem is just at the level of ultrasounds being done by clinicans. What if, in future, they are trained too in their subject-specific imaging??

 
May 02, 2010
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Dr. Ram Galwa said:

Dr. Ram Galwa
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The problem is in the superspecialization of the clinical branches (like DM, MCH)the residents are tought the radiology of their field by our radiologist. They teach them in a better way that they teach a radiology resident. Here is the problem........After coming in the field, the clinician with such sound knowledge of radiology will no longer ask the radiologist or at least not respect the radiology report. To reach at that level, the radiologist will have to select a single subspeciality and have to be an expert. The general radiologist is likely to be extinct by 2050, as least in metro cities.
 
May 02, 2010
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Veerendra Sharma said:

Veerendra Sharma
...
I fully agree with all comments up , The clinicians ( Trating Physicians have the backgroud of Clinical Touch ) and the findings are being co related so on that ground they try to anchors . But say just an example of EchoCard< The radiologist report and the cardiologists > vary with influence of the clinical co relation and formatting of report > They want support for the Escapes amny at times and most of the time the reports of Radiologists are regarded.In fact the patients are being referred not because they need to be but the time cannot be purchased i.e. clinicians canot do their own Practice + Radiology practice ( * I remember 10 Years back one of the ENT Sp commented 'the Branch radiology should officially be removed from the medical subjects separate entity-
I asked Why ?? the reply
ENT xrays and other finding I can manage , likewise other will also .....

So sub speciality of course YES is required or at least the Subdivision in Syllabus with Major one group CT/MRI _ associated TEMPORAL, ORBITAL , NECK and so on
Regards to all
 
May 03, 2010
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Dr. Sridhar V said:

Dr. Sridhar V
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I fully agree with Dr.Anuj Mishra and Dr.Upma Hemal's views on the future prospects of the species known as 'General Radiologists' regarding the present happenings in America,Europe and other advanced countries, where more emphasis is given to super specialization making the 'species' dwindle in numbers.

It is a well known fact that any thing happening in these countries will happen in India down the lane, say after 5 or 10 yrs.

I think 'General Radiologists' of India ie Bharat should realize that this is the Wake-uo call and they can be wise enough to start concentrating on systematic METAMORPHOSIS into specialization,sub specialization and super specialization ,instead of following the principle of " Jack of all trades and master of none "
 
May 03, 2010
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Anuj said:

Anuj Mishra
...
Many thanks everyone for these enlightening comments. From what I can see, we are very close to a consensus that subspecialization is the future of radiology.
I still feel that general radiologist will continue to play an important role in societies like India, considering the huge population and disproportionate lack of radiology services in towns and smaller cities.
Subspecialist will all anchor in major metropolises, while the general radiologist would cater to patients in small practices.
I strongly feel that we need to change the radiology training in our country so as to cater to the huge demands by different clinical specialities. The radiology residency program should be divided into 'modules' in subspecialities like musculoskeletal, neuroradiology, cardiac radiology, pediatric radiology and so on, rather than 'modalities' that it is at present.
And after completion of post-graduation residency, the candidate should have an option to subspecialise.
This is the only way we Indian radiologists will be able to keep pace with our international colleagues.
And what about creating an Indian college of radiology certification for all fresh post-graduates? On the lines of american board of radiology and royal college of radiology. This would surely standardize the radiology education all over India and make it at par with international standards.
I just hope and pray that Indian radiologists can be on the forefront of world radiology by 2020!
My kind regards and best wishes to all my colleagues who have spared from their precious time to comment on this blog........May God bless you all!
 
May 03, 2010
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pk jain said:

0
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what percentage of who are MS are MCH
what percent of MDs are DMs
in the same way way what will remain with DM or MCh--neglibble amount,
it will continue like this only
Dr PK jain
 
May 06, 2010
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Veerendra Sharma said:

Veerendra Sharma
...
With due regards to colleagues , the discussion and the comments coming up carries the truth for the future radiology . Now the things are getting speed up . Like the Small Nursing homes with 5-10 beds were something are past now , the people those understanding the value of insurances etc - Do prefer to go to giants like apollo / fortis etc etc ( corp hospitals ) even small nursing homes on way same as dying species ..
here this is not the matter in INDIA it will continue ( in spite DM /MCh being very few ) .. this will dilute the discussion ..
why not to accept the truth that future radiology need more tougher path for walk > otherwise remains the compromise to some extent ..

eg Now look the frequency of CT in semi peripheral regions

Think deep before tepping up you will find the discussion is VISION , thought to be given
 
May 07, 2010
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Dr. Sridhar V said:

Dr. Sridhar V
...
Quite interesting observation !

There are four ways to join any discussion

1.Take part in the discussion since you like the topic about which discussion is going on.Or

2.Join the discussion because you want to express something,since you are not in agreement with the summary of the topic,Or

3.Initially you join the discussion to express your views disagreeing with the author.However after going through the various postings and replies you may change your views and realize that what the author says is justified.Or

4.Join the discussion for the sake of it and divert the intentions of the topic to a different level and meaning and even diluting the same.
"You can`t wake a person who is pretending to be asleep........"

Respected colleagues, this is purely my personal feeling and please accept my apologies if I am wrong.
 
May 07, 2010
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Anuj Mishra said:

Anuj Mishra
...
We must realize that Radiology speciality cannot be equated with other fields, because we all know that Radiology is the backbone of the entire health system.
No major hospital can excel without a strong radiology.
This makes it all the more important to raise the standards of radiology practice and education.
A simple modality like Ultrasound has advanced with new technology like contrast-enhanced ultrasound being included in the diagnostic algorithm for focal liver lesions by EASL. Moreover, with the advent of fusion imaging, ultrasound is providing approach for treating focal liver lesions by radio-frequency ablation in situations where they were impossible to see by just plain ultrasound.
And we all know what role Ultrasound Elastography is going to play in future in breast lesions and liver diseases.
These are some of the newer applications of ultrasound, or the changed face of ultrasound imaging.
Are we in India prepared for it???????
 
May 07, 2010
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rajkumar neekhra said:

rajkumar neekhra
...
Dr. Sridhar V
...
Thank you so much Dr.Anuj Mishra for the very insight into the possible extinct of the present famous and popular and much sought after 'species' known as 'General Radiologist'.

The way things are happening so fast,the way specialization and sub specialization getting evolved ... I think situation is going to reach ridiculous proposition by 2050.

Are you going to take up disease based sub specialization ?
example - Specialist radiologist of bronchiectasis
- Specialist Radiologist for Peptic Ulcer ?

Or You want to become Symptoms based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist Radiologist of Halitosis.

or it it better to become System based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist Radiologist for Sexual disorders .

Or You want to become Organ based Radiologist ?
example- Specialist radiologist in Uterus disorders
Specialist radiologist in Thumb problems

Dr.Anuj Mishra said

"Coming back to our problem – ‘Why should radiology be done by radiologists?’

And the most important answer to this is that only radiologist can have a global view on the patient."

When Somebody wants to become specialist in Uterine disorders or penile disorders Why should one undergo Entire Radiology course ?Why should this particular specialist needs Global view of Radiology ?
Present day situation is such that if one becomes Specialist Radiologist, say in 'Epilepsy"....over the time this particular Radiologist loses touch with other aspects of Radiology and pleads ignorance in dealing with non epileptic Radiology problems.If this is so why should he/she undergo entire Radiology Course.Can not he/she get trained initially itself in with his/her subject limited to 'Epileptic disorders' instead of undergoing entire Radiology course ?

So the net result is that if one wants to become sub sub specialist, not necessary that he/she should be a Radiologist. Anybody can become sub specialist,and most importantly one need not have knowledge of " GLOBAL VIEW " of Radiology.

No doubt the Radiology subject is vast and no branch of medicine is left untouched by radiology and constantly one has to keep oneself abreast of happenings.
Since We have vast population to be taken care of I do not think General Radiology is a dying art.

General radiology is here to stay just like General Medicine or General Surgery.
 
October 30, 2010
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